jlw515 wrote:Anyway, the Prequels were MUCH better than the Sequel Trilogy (thus far) because the plot is very linear: Palpatine/Sidious uses Trade Federation blockade to gain political power = Palpatine/Sidious uses Separtist to persuade votes for Republic Army = Republic Army wipes out Jedi. VERY linear!
I don't see why a story being linear, makes it a good story. And I think most people who dislike the prequels would argue that most of its big problems come from dull lifeless unlikeable characters, and not really any exciting stakes in the story. That said, people can like whatever they want. We're all Star Wars fans here, so I'm not really here to hate on the prequels.
jlw515 wrote:So, compare this with the Sequel Trilogy - thus far. TFA really screwed up the everything established in the PT and OT by basically making the Heroes of the Rebellion and the New Republic epic failures: Han and Leia failed not only as parents, but as political leaders, and Luke failed as the religious/Jedi leader.
You've got to have some stakes if you want to have a movie. You can't just have everything be fine and at peace. New threats have to emerge, and the characters have to go through trials and tribulations. That Han and Leia would fail as parents, is not really surprising, or far fetched in the slightest.
jlw515 wrote:The New Order can build a Death Star planet - DUMBEST plot hole of the entire saga - that basically destroys the Republic in one shot.
I've always felt that this was TFA's one big flaw. It didn't need to recycle the Deathstar for the third time, and it seems very unlikely the First Order would be able to build one again in secret.
jlw515 wrote:OH, and the lightsaber battles in TPM (Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan vs Maul) and ROTS (Anakin vs Obi-Wan) are much better choreographed than anything in either TFA or TLJ. As a matter of fact (well, my opinion at least) the ROTS final lightsaber battle is probably one of the best choreographed "sword duels" of all time!
I'm going to have to disagree with you here. I feel the prequel lightsaber battles are over-choreographed. They don't really feel like fights... more like an elaborate ballet. No one seems to be trying to hit each other. Compare this with the much more convincing, and smaller scale fight at the end of TFA, and it just blows any of the fights in the prequels out of the water. I also like that the new movies remember that lightsabers are supposed to feel heavy, and shouldn't be overused. Heck, even the big fight in TLJ is much better, for all the movie's flaws.
jlw515 wrote:that dang turtle space race between the New Order and Resistance - just not believing that Resistance ship could out fly that Dreadnaught. The Blockade Runner certainly couldn't out run a Star Destroyer.
I'd say the big flaw here is not whether a Resistance ship 'could' outrun the Dreadnaught, but that the scenes are just boring. They kept cutting back to the chase, while nothing had changed in the story, while also switching to a completely pointless sequence of scenes at a Casino planet. The movie was just spinning its wheels here... and you're complaining about who can outrun who?
jlw515 wrote:In addition, we weren't really introduced to any new characters that really moved the story along or will continue to move the story along in Ep. 9. So, to me, TLJ is almost like TFA part 2 and not really enough to considered Episode 8 OR we change Ep. 8 to Ep. 9 seeing as how the ending of TLJ would be more fitting for the ending of the entire ST.
The highlighted part is really the big problem. The movie didn't know where to go. Disney had clearly not planned out the story for the trilogy in advance. God knows why. But this movie was constantly spinning its wheels, wasting time, and not resolving or following up on plot hooks left by TFA. There was so much here to make a movie out of, and they did nothing with it. That was TLJ's biggest problem. No satisfying conclusions to the existing narrative, no pay off, and no coherent structure. It also felt like TLJ was constantly subverting the expectations of the audience, but not in service to the story, but just for the sake of subvertion. Having plot twists can be really good in a story, but they have to make sense. A show like Game of Thrones is full of twists, but all of them are narratively set up first. TLJ was just dropping nonsensical twists left and right, with no set up or explanation what so ever.
So, it was a bit of a mess, but with a few fun scenes.