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#60711
From the Original Trilogy what do you think could be added/taken out/improved to make them better?

Here are my ideas:

A New Hope:

Lightsabers need to be re-done. When Luke firsts uses his fathers lightsaber in Obi-Wans hut its so... tacky. It looks so fake in comparison to the Prequel Trilogy, and it isn't the same colour they used for Anakins in Revenge of the Sith either IMO. Also the sounds don't quite sound... in the room. They sound too much as if they've been placed on top of a recording where as in the Prequel Trilogy you really believe they're making those sounds.

Also, Blasters need to be redone. If you updated the lightsabers you might aswell update blasters. Also another thing I noticed in the Original Trilogy everyones blaster-fire is red, but in the Prequel Trilogy the "bad guys" had red lasers and the "good guys" had green and blue lasers, similar to the colours of lightsabers. So I think the weapons IMO could all have updates. Another change that could be made is maybe some silver added to Leia's gun she has right at the start, it looks really old and cheap as all black and I'm sure for that small scene in which she uses it, it could be digitally recoloured.

Vader ordering Beru and Owen to die, I think that there should be a little scene before Luke returns home where a Stormtroooper comunicates with Darth Vader and tells him that they've tracked the two droids back to a location (Lars Homestead) and then Vader orders the death of the two.

In general all Planets/Backgrounds, I could really tell which planets backgrounds etc; had been digitally enhanced because they looked fantastic but in some of the places we visit you can really tell they're real locations and don't have the Star Wars "unreal" feel. Like on Coruscant for example we have ships constantly flying past. I think we could have a few more creatures/things going on in the background and have more ships occasionally flying about.

Alderaan, I think an actual scene of Alderaan should be included. This is Leia's home planet, we see where Luke comes from and I think we should see where Leia comes from and what the Death Star actually destroys. All it would have to be is a short scene of maybe Bail Organa and Queen Breha Organa sitting out on a balcony looking out into the sky and then Bail Organa could say something like... "I hope Leia's alright".

The scene where Han Solo is greeted by Jabba the Hutt is good as it is but when we see Return of the Jedi we instantly notice that Jabba is a puppet/costume for this film as the CGI one looked different. If the colours could be changed to match it at least that would be great. Also I noticed that in a few shots Han's eyelines don't match up with where Jabba is whatsoever.

If possible Darth Vader vs Obi-Wan Kenobi could be changed up a little. In Revenge of the Sith we see such an epic duel on Mustufar that this one doesn't really reach climax. This is also the first time we see Darth Vader in combat, now we're supposed to fear this guy and he's supposed to be all strong but the fight he has was good in it's time but now looks a little... weak? I know we can digitally edit faces onto figures since Count Dooku was mostly a stunt actor with a digitalised face so I think it is possible.

Empire Strikes Back:

Lightsabers and Blasters - see A New Hope post for reasons! ^

The whole Hoth sequence could really do with some improving. The setting was filmed in a blizzard, it looks great but it is sometimes a bit too much and you're with alot of white-screen for sometime and it gets boring. Also when the Hoth Rebel base is under attack the camera just appears to shake and wobble which looks really amature, it doesn't look like the base is under attack it looks more like the camera guy was drunk. You could easily include some CGI attacks on the base like when Han and Leia are runnining and the hallway collapses maybe we could get a shot from outside of Stormtroopers bombing the base to cause that explosion. I mean, just little niggles that would touch it up a bit.

General Special Effects, and this goes for A New Hope too, when someone shoots someone in the Prequel Trilogy they fall, or when they shoot a wall it crumbles and briefly smokes. In the Original Trilogy there is alot of sparkes and snap, crackles and pops. Also there is alot of smoke to show where blasters have hit. It looks all too, school production-ish where you've only got a smoke machine and CD-Player and you're trying to create a battle.

Return of the Jedi:

Lightsabers and Blasters - see A New Hope post for reasons! ^

We could include Boba Fett escaping certain death, we hear him have a stupid scream in this film when he falls into the Sarlacc, which he wouldn't make if he lives. After Han/Luke/Leia all escape Jabba and fly on the barge to safety maybe we could see Boba Fett crawl out of the top of the Sarlacc pit and sort of have some cliff-hangar as to what happended next and leave some future troubles in childrens imagination. We always like to think there is still evil out there and that Leia and Lukes adventures aren't over and this could be a way of creating that.

The Battle of Endor really needs to be updated, and pretty much all the Endor scenes. We haven't really visited woodlands before in Star Wars and when we do they're too close to real life, I think we should have creatures lurking in the background and maybe fog once and a while. The Speeder Bike chase with Luke and Leia looks really bad background effects, they could be updated and I think the actual battle itself could be more climatic. We could have some Rebel Soldiers commanding and fighting, also maybe we could see a helmetless Stormtrooper giving orders, throughout the Clone Wars we see them without helmets, why not now? Also this scene could do with losing the "toys" falling over etc; and have some computer generated enemy machines.

Another general Special Effects one, Darth Sidious' Force-Lightening looks frail and weak in comparison to the stuff we've seen from Dooku and a younger himself in the Prequel Trilogy. If Luke is crying in agony and it's enough to turn his father Darth Vader back and kill Sidious then we need some mega special effects that show true torture for Luke to endure.

Another one could be Leia actually seeing the Force-Ghosts of her Father and Obi-Wan Kenobi, she seems to see Luke looking at something and goes over and sits with him but never actually takes notice of the ghosts standing right in front of her, maybe some digital glances might be nice, otherwise she looks totally unobservant, and I'd like in the celebration scene to see some old faces like when we hear Jar Jar Binks say "Wesa Free!" maybe see a shot of him celebrating with Gunguns and Naboo people, maybe a shot of a very old Sio Bibble with Queen Kylantha.

Anyway, I know Lucas will never do any of my requests, but I'd love the man if he did. I'm a child born into the Prequel Trilogy and I don't really see the big deal of going back and editing good films to make them much better. They don't fit with the films that are supposed to be years before them, which makes it seem like the technology of Star Wars decreases as they get more into the future, which in the world we live in is the opposite way around.
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By The Professor
#60755
I have to say I disagree. Most of the changes I might have wanted to see were addressed with the 2004 DVDs. Too much change completely removes the film from what it originally was. We've already seen much changed. It's all the same story, but I don't want the films polluted with too much more CGI. Some recomposition here and there would be nice. Fixing some of the lightsaber problems added with the DVD would be nice. But nothing more. I think the two trilogies work together well enough as is. If anything, the prequel trilogy should have been better suited and designed for what came before (or after from one point of view).

Some nice ideas, but I hope they don't happen.
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By TB9153
#62992
the lightsabers in some scenes need to be redone (ie luke with the blast shield on the falcon. the saber is almost white, not blue like it should be.)

other than that just take out all that special edition stuff :wink:
#70260
I think they should definitly put the original voice of Jeremy Bulloch back in for Boba Fett. I was'nt very happy with the new guy that did Boba Fett. Other than that I can't think of anything else I'd love to see changed.
#70289
Darth Wolven wrote:I think they should definitly put the original voice of Jeremy Bulloch back in for Boba Fett. I was'nt very happy with the new guy that did Boba Fett. Other than that I can't think of anything else I'd love to see changed.


The "new guy" was Temuera Morrison, the same actor that played all the clones and Jango. It only makes sense that they re-dubbed Boba using his voice.
#70325
JediLjf wrote:Lightsabers need to be re-done. When Luke firsts uses his fathers lightsaber in Obi-Wans hut its so... tacky. It looks so fake in comparison to the Prequel Trilogy, and it isn't the same colour they used for Anakins in Revenge of the Sith either IMO. Also the sounds don't quite sound... in the room. They sound too much as if they've been placed on top of a recording where as in the Prequel Trilogy you really believe they're making those sounds.

Also, Blasters need to be redone. If you updated the lightsabers you might aswell update blasters. Also another thing I noticed in the Original Trilogy everyones blaster-fire is red, but in the Prequel Trilogy the "bad guys" had red lasers and the "good guys" had green and blue lasers, similar to the colours of lightsabers. So I think the weapons IMO could all have updates. Another change that could be made is maybe some silver added to Leia's gun she has right at the start, it looks really old and cheap as all black and I'm sure for that small scene in which she uses it, it could be digitally recoloured.


HMM I get what you are saying there but seriously I think it would destroy the feel of the film. Keep them red and sabres as is, plus its not so bad to examine where all of it came from.

Vader ordering Beru and Owen to die, I think that there should be a little scene before Luke returns home where a Stormtroooper comunicates with Darth Vader and tells him that they've tracked the two droids back to a location (Lars Homestead) and then Vader orders the death of the two.


I have to strongly disagree here, as soon as this becomes confirmed (That Vader knew Owen and Beru are being murdered by stormtroopers cause it is easy to assume he didn't as he was several star systems away and can't give direct orders to every single storm trooper in the galaxy) it brings up more questions than any of us want to deal with and more plot holes than you can drive an Imperail crusier through.

In general all Planets/Backgrounds, I could really tell which planets backgrounds etc; had been digitally enhanced because they looked fantastic but in some of the places we visit you can really tell they're real locations and don't have the Star Wars "unreal" feel. Like on Coruscant for example we have ships constantly flying past. I think we could have a few more creatures/things going on in the background and have more ships occasionally flying about.


Again I think the orginal has a certain feel to it, and this would disrupt that.

Alderaan, I think an actual scene of Alderaan should be included. This is Leia's home planet, we see where Luke comes from and I think we should see where Leia comes from and what the Death Star actually destroys. All it would have to be is a short scene of maybe Bail Organa and Queen Breha Organa sitting out on a balcony looking out into the sky and then Bail Organa could say something like... "I hope Leia's alright".


Ok but why, it adds nothing to the film. doesn't increase tension or do anymore to drive the whole "Millions of voices" line right after that. Would disrupt the sequence with Tarkin and leia which is excellent as well.

The scene where Han Solo is greeted by Jabba the Hutt is good as it is but when we see Return of the Jedi we instantly notice that Jabba is a puppet/costume for this film as the CGI one looked different. If the colours could be changed to match it at least that would be great. Also I noticed that in a few shots Han's eyelines don't match up with where Jabba is whatsoever.


Better idea, cut the sequence with Jaba from ANH, its meaningless and says the exact same stuff that the greedo sceane said before (which is exactly why I think it was cut in the first place).

If possible Darth Vader vs Obi-Wan Kenobi could be changed up a little. In Revenge of the Sith we see such an epic duel on Mustufar that this one doesn't really reach climax. This is also the first time we see Darth Vader in combat, now we're supposed to fear this guy and he's supposed to be all strong but the fight he has was good in it's time but now looks a little... weak? I know we can digitally edit faces onto figures since Count Dooku was mostly a stunt actor with a digitalised face so I think it is possible.


I think this sort of falls into the whole "Does vader ever run" idea and as soon as vader starts doing Darth Maul level acrobatics he loses a bit of character. Obi-wan is old as well, which adds to it. Plus I always got the sence Vader toyed with him for a while (possibly to savor the defeat). There is a body launguage thing with vader I noticed a long time ago (he fights different with luke in ROTJ than in Empire, but it has nothing to do with "improvements" and seems to stem from body launguage).

Empire Strikes Back:

The whole Hoth sequence could really do with some improving. The setting was filmed in a blizzard, it looks great but it is sometimes a bit too much and you're with alot of white-screen for sometime and it gets boring. Also when the Hoth Rebel base is under attack the camera just appears to shake and wobble which looks really amature, it doesn't look like the base is under attack it looks more like the camera guy was drunk. You could easily include some CGI attacks on the base like when Han and Leia are runnining and the hallway collapses maybe we could get a shot from outside of Stormtroopers bombing the base to cause that explosion. I mean, just little niggles that would touch it up a bit.


OK you are loseing me here. Yes its a blizzard, very harsh conditions and also easier to hide for the rebels. I really loved the whole part of hoth it worked wonderfully, I am not sure what you mean here.

Also I never got the impression it was the Stormies that cause that explosion with a bomb but the AT-AT's blasting away outside (as they had powerful cannons).

General Special Effects, and this goes for A New Hope too, when someone shoots someone in the Prequel Trilogy they fall, or when they shoot a wall it crumbles and briefly smokes. In the Original Trilogy there is alot of sparkes and snap, crackles and pops. Also there is alot of smoke to show where blasters have hit. It looks all too, school production-ish where you've only got a smoke machine and CD-Player and you're trying to create a battle.


*SHRUG*

Return of the Jedi:

We could include Boba Fett escaping certain death, we hear him have a stupid scream in this film when he falls into the Sarlacc, which he wouldn't make if he lives. After Han/Luke/Leia all escape Jabba and fly on the barge to safety maybe we could see Boba Fett crawl out of the top of the Sarlacc pit and sort of have some cliff-hangar as to what happended next and leave some future troubles in childrens imagination. We always like to think there is still evil out there and that Leia and Lukes adventures aren't over and this could be a way of creating that.


This might work,

The Battle of Endor really needs to be updated, and pretty much all the Endor scenes. We haven't really visited woodlands before in Star Wars and when we do they're too close to real life, I think we should have creatures lurking in the background and maybe fog once and a while. The Speeder Bike chase with Luke and Leia looks really bad background effects, they could be updated and I think the actual battle itself could be more climatic. We could have some Rebel Soldiers commanding and fighting, also maybe we could see a helmetless Stormtrooper giving orders, throughout the Clone Wars we see them without helmets, why not now? Also this scene could do with losing the "toys" falling over etc; and have some computer generated enemy machines.


Helmetless stormies lose the impact IMO.

Also I think it was a huge mistake to chose the forest in question but I think changing it up will only muck it up worse at this point. I know the exoticness was lost (as in Tantine from ANH and Hoth from ESB) this was not even remotly an exotic environment.

Another general Special Effects one, Darth Sidious' Force-Lightening looks frail and weak in comparison to the stuff we've seen from Dooku and a younger himself in the Prequel Trilogy. If Luke is crying in agony and it's enough to turn his father Darth Vader back and kill Sidious then we need some mega special effects that show true torture for Luke to endure.


I always felt the scean which luke has lighting in his teeth was pretty effective.

Another one could be Leia actually seeing the Force-Ghosts of her Father and Obi-Wan Kenobi, she seems to see Luke looking at something and goes over and sits with him but never actually takes notice of the ghosts standing right in front of her, maybe some digital glances might be nice, otherwise she looks totally unobservant,


Uh why, why would leia see them, she never really interacts with obi-wan, never mets yoda, and only has basic knowledge at that point that Vader even is her father, luke hasn't had a chance to explain everything. Why should she see all that, Luke was in the thick of it and it makes sence for him to see.

and I'd like in the celebration scene to see some old faces like when we hear Jar Jar Binks say "Wesa Free!" maybe see a shot of him celebrating with Gunguns and Naboo people, maybe a shot of a very old Sio Bibble with Queen Kylantha.


Truthfully I thought that part added in really tore down my feelings at the end, to add to it more just takes further away.
#71454
I know many SW fans are purists, but since we have the originals on DVD already, I think Lucasfilm should modernize all the movies and market them to the younger audience. Star Wars Revisited by Adyman is an amazing fan edit of ANH and the graphic details really bring the film closer to the magnitude it should have reached. The one thing I didnt like about the Adyman version was removing Jabba's scene - I think characters like these help connect with the younger audience. I'd also like to see the Emperor in ANH - he was in all the other movies, so he should be represented in ANH as well.

When it comes to DVD releases, Lucasfilm would have to edit all 6 films if I were to consider buying all of them again. Likewise, they should include EVERY deleted scene to make the purchase even more worthwhile. As SW fans, many of us already own multiple copies of the original trilogy, so I think Lucasfilm really has to 'WOW' us into future purchases.
#71608
darth_sidious wrote:I know many SW fans are purists, but since we have the originals on DVD already, I think Lucasfilm should modernize all the movies and market them to the younger audience. Star Wars Revisited by Adyman is an amazing fan edit of ANH and the graphic details really bring the film closer to the magnitude it should have reached. The one thing I didnt like about the Adyman version was removing Jabba's scene - I think characters like these help connect with the younger audience. I'd also like to see the Emperor in ANH - he was in all the other movies, so he should be represented in ANH as well.


I heard about Adyman's Star Wars edits, but I have no idea of how you download them, and when you do download them how to get them to work. I would truly love to see these edits and the only way for me to currently view them is youtube. :( Most of those torrent sites only have a few seeders, and I'm not waiting all day to download something that may be over a gigabyte. If only he had his own site, and I could download them there from a server that is on 24/7. :? :?:
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