What if CGI existed in the time of the OT?

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What if CGI existed in the time of the OT?

Postby Paulskywalker » Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:09 pm

I know there has been the obvious CGI additions since the 90s but what if CGI existed in the 70s and 80s, what would have would have been done differently? Anyone got any ideas, for example a more athletic Chewie or tree swinging Ewoks?
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Re: What if CGI existed in the time of the OT?

Postby The Professor » Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:21 pm

I bet the films would be very different. CG Stormtroopers. CG Chewbacca. CG C-3PO and R2. I'm glad those iconic characters came out long before CG.
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Re: What if CGI existed in the time of the OT?

Postby nicodemus_rebado » Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:23 pm

Star Wars (OT) would be totally different and not necessarily for the better.
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Re: What if CGI existed in the time of the OT?

Postby stroebel83 » Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:34 pm

nicodemus_rebado wrote:Star Wars (OT) would be totally different and not necessarily for the better.


yeah i don't know if it would be memorable, sw special effects are wgat made the movies for me as kid
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Re: What if CGI existed in the time of the OT?

Postby Paulskywalker » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:54 pm

I totally agree with you all, just thought it would be a bit of fun to think about!
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Re: What if CGI existed in the time of the OT?

Postby Niktom » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:48 pm

No one would have been blown away... it would be like all other CGI movies that are put out today.

Honestly... the story just isn't there. It's the same story that's been told since ancient times... good vs evil. That's it.

The difference the OT made was how it was told. The special effects transported you into this new environment and glossed over the story, bad acting, and horrible dialog.

I think it would have done good but not fantastic nor could it have created the following that it did. With modern CGI special effects just aren't that special anymore.
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Re: What if CGI existed in the time of the OT?

Postby Paulskywalker » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:05 pm

Very true, you only have to looks at Avatar, its special effects were hyped up and it was no different from any other movie these days.
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Re: What if CGI existed in the time of the OT?

Postby darth_sidious » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:18 pm

As a kid, I loved all the puppets, costumes, etc - so I think pure CGI would have ruined it, because even now as an adult I continue to appreciate all that stuff.
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Re: What if CGI existed in the time of the OT?

Postby zedhatch » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:37 pm

Well let's out something into context here, Sci-Fi was pretty dead at that point as was the classic Good vs. Evil story (Keep in ming much of the modern world has been heavily influenced by SW). So it becomes a more interesting question if presented in the context of the time.

I think the MAJOR difference is that Chewie would be closer to the McQuarrie consept art sketches. Personally I don't think he would have resonated as much as he did looking like that. His final look was much more like a canine (which makes a degree of sence when you think of the character origin) and I think that made him endering. Lucas said the main reason he looked so different was the many hands in makeing that costume. Everyone brought new ideas in and the end result was something very different but also much better, I think the reason some of the PT aliens don't resonate is because they hopped from consept to CGI with very little alterations from various people involved, Ironicly less people involved costs more as well. It's an odd occurence.

The droids too, which carry the first part of the first film probably would have been CGI and as such probably wouldn't have resonated either. I know as a kid part of the charm for me was I could see the "realness" of the droids in the desert with sand bunching up on them, carbon scoring ect. All of which lacked heavily in the PT. CGI artists often don't think of how envirnment effects the characters (That's not an afront to CGI artists either, Peter Jackson said that and said he supposed that you work so hard to get it right you forget there are nessessarly details to make it add to the world. He would often have to remind the CGI artists of this on LOTR. He joked they worked with blinders or something).
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Re: What if CGI existed in the time of the OT?

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Re: What if CGI existed in the time of the OT?

Postby Paulskywalker » Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:25 pm

Yeah i agree with the gritty realness that was lost in the PT, Zedhatch.

Ha ha love the pic, Stooperzero!
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Re: What if CGI existed in the time of the OT?

Postby Michael » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:13 pm

Stooper you summed it up well, Bland & Empty and One Color fits all is what the PT Era was, where as the OT Era was Plentiful with a Bigger Colorful pallet which made it more exciting.
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Re: What if CGI existed in the time of the OT?

Postby UKHistory » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:37 am

If other aspects of the story and the people were around at that time, Star Wars would still be Star Wars.

The special effects in the original star wars was mind blowing and that grabbed an audience. For the first time, space ships looked realistic enough in the movies to take away your disbelief.

There was that. However, the special effects and images we saw were greatly influenced by Ralph McQuarrie. His genuius and ability to take Lucas' various script revisions and give them body made Star Wars possible.

Sadly the prequels did not have anyone with his vision or foresight. Darth Vader's helmet and breathing were first influenced by the practical notion that one person moving from one spaceship to another during a battle may need a space suit.

Also McQuarrie's drawings created a gritty, unknown idea of space. Few silver jumpsuits. The look of the ships, aliens, weapons, clothing all captivate the audience. The prequel designs were not that good. The Naboo ships--especially the three versions of the Queen's ship were not all that great.

The solar sail ship for Dooku (about that name which was lame) was not great.

And Naboo's look was stolen almost image by image from dinotopia which again makes the prequels come off as cheap.

Also of great importance was the music. John Williams was brilliant composing music for Star Wars, Jaws, Raiders. The music grabs the audience member as much as the visual effects. Screw surround sound. Good music grabs the audience and brings them into that world much more than we realize at the time.

The story--especially the story of A new hope and Empire were really well done. The prequels showed little to no connection. Menace is kind of out there and honestly was just not a strong stand alone vehicle. Clones and Sith were more closely connected but Sith was so rushed because if it was going to follow the pacing of Menace, we would have never been on track to get to Luke.

Poor dialogue and a confusing storyline that has a rushed ending was just a mess.

Acting--Natalie Portman is a wonderful actress. McGregor has shown great range. Sam Jackson is a wonderful character actor. But none of them could get much out of their characters. McGregor did better than others. So too did Ian McDirmid as Palpatine. English are better trained than their American counterparts and when they don't get direction from their director, they can improvise.

The Star Wars movies greatly benefitted from Alec Guiness disagreeing with Lucas on how to play Kenobi. So too did Anthony Daniels who helped make 3po more of prissy butler than say a buggs bunny sounding con man (that was Lucas' initial plan).

Harrison Ford asked Lucas how to fly the Falcon and demonstrated that he knew how to make the character work.

I am not saying these actors corrected George right and left. But Lucas in the 1970s was not the George Lucas multi billionaire of the late 1990s. People said "no" to Lucas in the old days. Lucas was surrounded by "yes" men by the time he chose to return to Star Wars. It is painfully clear with product and listening to the interviews.

Also Lucas got divorced prior to Jedi and frankly his wife's ediitng skills and general guidance was clearly evident by Jedi.

It is not just cgi versus hard copy models. It is so much more. For goodness sake Star Wars was nominated as best picture. Whatever Lucas wants to say about this story being just a b movie afternoon matinee flick...Star Wars was nominated for best picture. It didn't win but that is not the point. None of the prequels were really close to being the best movie of the year.

Star Wars and Raiders were among the very best movies of the year in which they were released. That is why people care today.

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